King Snarf (seriously, that's his handle - and he chose it himself! It wasn't a punishment by his mom for living in her basement past the age of 25) at least shows some smarts when he points out that Marvel uses the reset button as well, although his example isn't the strongest one out there.
He's quickly forgotten though, as we see somebody take up NughtHunter's argument.
Re; NightHunter support
"For instance, with Professor X, during the time that he's been able to walk and no longer able, etc., he has developed as a character. He's gone from the idealistic academic to taking a more active role in events (as a member of the Illuminati), to kinda of a manipulative jerk. Now, he's dealing with the consequences of his actions as Summers has assumed command of the X-Men.
A particularly egregious example from DC would be The Flash. Barry Allen died, then Wally was The Flash. He grew up, had a family then Bart took over. Bart died then Wally came back. Now Barry is back, Wally has sort of been shunted to the sidelines, and Bart is back as Kid Flash. Everything has been reset to an artificial status quo from, what, 20 years ago?
As another example, Bruce Wayne has been gone. Dick stepped into the cowl, and it appeared things would develop. Now, Bruce is coming back to be the Batman.
Marvel did something similar with the death of Steve Rodgers. However, Bucky is going to remain Captain America, and Steve is adopting a whole new role in the Marvel U.
Marvel's characters have a tendency to develop in ways that DCs characters have a tendency to not. Now, there are exceptions: Marvel's "Brand New Day" reset Spider-Man, and DC's Booster Gold has gone from an attention-seeking goofball to protector of the timeline. However, overall, Marvel tends to allow for more development and appears on the surface to be less concerned with enforcing an arbitrary status quo."
~ Mungdaal
Reaction:
Laughter. Laughter was my reaction. I just read somebody's own description of the massive and ongoing growth of the Flash lineage, while they were supporting the suggestion that no growth and development takes place with DC characters. Wally West was kid flash. When Barry died, he assumed his mentor's mantle, grew into the role and eventually surpassed his uncle in understanding the Speed Force. He grew up, got married and had kids, before leaving the role to Bart Allen. When Bart died, Wally came back to resume the role, but in Final Crisis Barry Allen returned from the Speed Force freeing Wally to focus on being a father. The story continues of course, and given that they are a clan of speedsters with their own bag of time travel headaches to sort through, it gets convoluted fairly often. BUT....to suggest that the characters haven't grown and evolved is a show of pure ignorance.
The comment about Dick's time as Batman is equally shallow. Are we suggesting that characterization cannot develop and grow unless Bruce never comes back? That what this time has meant to Dick (or Bruce) won't change them?
Yes, for the time being Marvel has opted to allow Bucky to remain as the "official" Cap. But only a neophyte comic reader would believe that it will stay that way. Steve Rogers is Captain America, and while this current editorial tact is allowing for Bucky to retain the role as Steve assumes Fury's old position, that will all change back to the way it was in time. Will that then erase Mungdaal's support of Marvel?
Another opinion based around a terribly one-sided understanding of what these two companies do as a whole.
King Snarf jumped back in after that post and quickly pointed out how often Hulk's been reset and bounced around over the last 25 years. Keen observation for a guy stuck on a board full of Spider-Man fans.
The best comment of them all though might have come from Der Schatten, who also dismisses the ridiculousness of Mungdaal and Nighthunter's comments, and then presents some valid observations of the state of both companies.
Re: Smartest comment on this thread
"I don't mind the resets. They let other writers give us their take on iconic stories. And new blood just might surprise us with great stories."
In the end, isn't that the point?
3 comments:
Resets are good if done well. Look at the current Batman books. Taking Bruce out of the cowl has seemed to shift the foucs to other parts of the Bat family, and with his return he is going to do the next thing in his plan by going world wide thanks to Gotham in good hands. To me it seems like a good reboot.
On the other side of it is Spiderman. Who decided to make a deal with a demon to save a woman that a few years ago "died", and made piece with her death. Now we can set that aside, and the fact that most of the heavy hitters in Marvel U told him it was just her time. Why the hell would a hero make a deal with a demon? Not to mantion the fact that it makes your trademark hero a selfish Douchebag.
Don't mind me I just vent the need to vent on the sad shape that Spidey is in at the moment...
Plus.....you know....he's Spider-Man.
So he sucks.
I'd be more then happy to debate the point that Spider man sucks, but currently he really does. In fact I tend to only read Joe Kelly Spidy books and Serect Avengers at the moment from Mavel.
Then sometimes go back to revist my favorate Spidey Storys such as Kraven's last hunt and The Death of Gewn Stacy
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