tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31918306.post5841132519191438612..comments2011-10-14T09:33:50.305-07:00Comments on The 4th Media: What NOT to like about Spider-Man; a guide to hating Marvel's most overrated loserThe 4th Manhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05978478777471172475noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31918306.post-36285373513581329382010-03-30T06:50:20.009-07:002010-03-30T06:50:20.009-07:00Good thing I don't have to worry about hurting...Good thing I don't have to worry about hurting feelings on this blog............<br /><br /><br />because THIS kind of stupidity requires a complete blog response.<br /><br />To be continued...The 4th Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05978478777471172475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31918306.post-89279522855242197182010-03-29T15:15:33.819-07:002010-03-29T15:15:33.819-07:00Ok lets move on to costumes. Yes... Spidermans cos...Ok lets move on to costumes. Yes... Spidermans costume sucks. Its original, but it still sucks. Lets look back to many other superhero's costumes. Superman.. is flying around in pajamas and a speedo. Powerman, he is wearing 80's disco cloths with some crazy thing wrapped around his head. Everyone's favorite Wolverine, look I dont even know how to describe that thing, but if you look at the original outfit, man I dont know what they were thinking. Captain America, Well hes wearing red WHITE and blue, are you going to say he ripped off of superman for wearing red and blue?<br /><br />And last but not least Peter Parker is an average loser, like any of us. He chose to be a wrestler when he first got his powers. Now tell me, if you were a nerdy loser who stayed locked in his room all day what would you do? Lets see, after hours of masturbation behind your computer over a hot red head girl you watch from your window like a stalker, you would watch tv. Who did you think was the strongest person in the world when you were a kid? Lets see next to Arnold Schwartzeneger (or however you spell his name) it was Hulk Hogan. So, if you suddenly got super strength who would you want to kicks ass in your nerd rage to feel like a bigger man? Anyway he let a mugger run past him when he had super strength. Lets see. You suddenly have super powers, Idk about you but I wouldnt want to suddenly have attention on me from the police for being a young boy taking out a criminal. At least wrestling he can say is fake, actually using the powers in a non staged way would draw attention; I mean he was exactly what you said a nerdy loser who stayed in his room all day. Do you think he wanted the world looking at him on tv?) Now He let the criminal kill his uncle by letting him go. Yes I agree, in fact there is no way to argue that, but what defines him, and anyone else who could have been put in that situation, is what he did afterward. If you simply define him by letting the man go, then by definition, Batman would be responsible for every person any of his villains killed because he put them in Jail. Why you ask? Because he knows they are going to escape; I mean lets face it how many times have they done it. With one exception being the Penguin (and the Riddler for a little while) name a villan who left arkham and didn't kill again? I mean hell throw all the villains out the window if you want, Joker is not going to be rehabilitated no matter how many times you lock him up. Joker alone should give Batman a reason to argue the death penalty.<br /><br />All in all, if you are going to hold Spiderman up to a microscope; put any other superhero under it and you can realize how silly they are. Just go back and look at any of there original storyline and they are just dumb by our standards. Comic books go by the generation. They are subject to the silly things that that generation is into. I mean in 50 years people will be having this same argument because lets face it they will be different people (probably speaking Chinese if we keep going the way we are.). And so you know, I am not a Big spiderman fan. Hes ok. My actual favorite is the Punisher and I even argued that he is silly at times. Truth be told I just simply think that if you put a hero up to those standards you are going to find a fault. Spiderman was based to be like every other person in this world (because he was Marvel) and you cant compare him to a DC character because they are meant to be larger than life. Marvel have human weaknesses, and with the exception to batman (and green arrow) DC characters dont (a frikn rock).Rude39https://www.blogger.com/profile/06671962196108117446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31918306.post-14035651176337741172010-03-29T15:14:35.204-07:002010-03-29T15:14:35.204-07:00All right...this is a friend of mine's comment...All right...this is a friend of mine's comments regarding the Spider-Man Issue:<br /><br />"Im not necessarily defending Spiderman by your point of view, just simply having a debate. You say that spiderman is motivated by guilt and on this note I do agree; however, what motivates many of our other comic book characters? Batman= obsession (possibly mental derangement), Punisher = vengeance (another psychopath), The X-man= basically ethnic struggles (nothing heroic they are just trying to fit in. Even if they got rid of the segregation they would still naturally segregate the way people of different ethnicity do now.) Captain America= he is simply a soldier. He is possibly the most heroic but basically hes just a man following orders. Maybe if he made these decisions on his own I would say he was a super hero but hes simply the same sort of hero any firefighter or police officer is. Hes doing his job. And finally to what i would assume is you favorite: superman. Dude.... hes an alien.... Nothing "Super" about that. Hes the same as a green man from mars with a little ray gun. ANYWAY... he has super powers... ok. Lets look at them. He has: Super strength, flight, freeze breath, eye beams, invincible, super speed, apparently he thinks faster than a normal human, and he comes back to life just about any time he dies. Whats s hard about saving the earth at that point. And ok you make a good point. Supe has a very iconic villa. Hell probably one of my favorites. I mean whats not to like about your basic average human being taking on a GOD. But hey, lets even talk about his iconic villain (who isnt named after an insect, but actually a wrestler). Ok what is superman's weakness... A frikn rock (weak). But moving on this rarity of mineral is apparently fragments from Superman's home world, which apparently is supposed to make him "mortal" again yet somehow always makes him wallow in his own self pity. Again to my real point about this rock. It is fragments from a planet which blew up. Now if this rock is from light years away How in the world can you explain that every villain seems to have pieces of it; more so How does Lex Luther seem to be able to shit bricks of this crap out anytime hes facing superman? I mean come on in one issue he had Kryptonian steroids :S.<br /><br />Onward to your next argument. Spiderman seems to not sacrifice anything. Ok, what does Superman give up? His planet blew up? Oh boo hoo. It happened before he became a hero which sort of throws that argument out the window. What did X-man give up? Um they are basically a recreation of the civil rights movement. Therefore they give up nothing, they are born that way. What did Punisher give up? Nothing his family was killed and he had no control over that. How about Hulk? Again nothing he was caught in an explosion of his own screw up and instead of being a hero runs around destroying little timmy's backyard anytime he has a temper tantrum. And since Jordan brought up Batman Ill even tear him down (even though I like him). Batman gives up nothing, his family got shot just like Punisher's and every other person who lives in a bad neighborhood. He throws a fit and decides to start a crusade of ridding the world of violence and does a good job of it. However he does not do it for other people's benefit he does it out of a psychotic compulsion to basically try to unravel events that happened in his past.Rude39https://www.blogger.com/profile/06671962196108117446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31918306.post-76290024701940014592010-03-29T15:14:15.084-07:002010-03-29T15:14:15.084-07:00All right...this is a friend of mine's comment...All right...this is a friend of mine's comments regarding the Spider-Man Issue:<br /><br />"Im not necessarily defending Spiderman by your point of view, just simply having a debate. You say that spiderman is motivated by guilt and on this note I do agree; however, what motivates many of our other comic book characters? Batman= obsession (possibly mental derangement), Punisher = vengeance (another psychopath), The X-man= basically ethnic struggles (nothing heroic they are just trying to fit in. Even if they got rid of the segregation they would still naturally segregate the way people of different ethnicity do now.) Captain America= he is simply a soldier. He is possibly the most heroic but basically hes just a man following orders. Maybe if he made these decisions on his own I would say he was a super hero but hes simply the same sort of hero any firefighter or police officer is. Hes doing his job. And finally to what i would assume is you favorite: superman. Dude.... hes an alien.... Nothing "Super" about that. Hes the same as a green man from mars with a little ray gun. ANYWAY... he has super powers... ok. Lets look at them. He has: Super strength, flight, freeze breath, eye beams, invincible, super speed, apparently he thinks faster than a normal human, and he comes back to life just about any time he dies. Whats s hard about saving the earth at that point. And ok you make a good point. Supe has a very iconic villa. Hell probably one of my favorites. I mean whats not to like about your basic average human being taking on a GOD. But hey, lets even talk about his iconic villain (who isnt named after an insect, but actually a wrestler). Ok what is superman's weakness... A frikn rock (weak). But moving on this rarity of mineral is apparently fragments from Superman's home world, which apparently is supposed to make him "mortal" again yet somehow always makes him wallow in his own self pity. Again to my real point about this rock. It is fragments from a planet which blew up. Now if this rock is from light years away How in the world can you explain that every villain seems to have pieces of it; more so How does Lex Luther seem to be able to shit bricks of this crap out anytime hes facing superman? I mean come on in one issue he had Kryptonian steroids :S.<br /><br /><br />Onward to your next argument. Spiderman seems to not sacrifice anything. Ok, what does Superman give up? His planet blew up? Oh boo hoo. It happened before he became a hero which sort of throws that argument out the window. What did X-man give up? Um they are basically a recreation of the civil rights movement. Therefore they give up nothing, they are born that way. What did Punisher give up? Nothing his family was killed and he had no control over that. How about Hulk? Again nothing he was caught in an explosion of his own screw up and instead of being a hero runs around destroying little timmy's backyard anytime he has a temper tantrum. And since Jordan brought up Batman Ill even tear him down (even though I like him). Batman gives up nothing, his family got shot just like Punisher's and every other person who lives in a bad neighborhood. He throws a fit and decides to start a crusade of ridding the world of violence and does a good job of it. However he does not do it for other people's benefit he does it out of a psychotic compulsion to basically try to unravel events that happened in his past.Rude39https://www.blogger.com/profile/06671962196108117446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31918306.post-75175802688068448692010-03-22T17:59:09.920-07:002010-03-22T17:59:09.920-07:00Jordan and I had this debate offline, but I wanted...Jordan and I had this debate offline, but I wanted to share some of my thoughts on his points, in case the discussion continues.<br /><br />First - Batman doesn't show survivor's guilt. Amongst its many indicators is a lack of drive and motivation. That's NOT Batman.<br /><br />If anything, Batman reflects anger and rage as his motivation for taking up "the mission." If you want to argue an absence of heroism in him, I think your best tack would be to question his mental state.<br /><br />We also debated the idea of remorse and attempting to atone. I suggested to Jordan that you cannot consider him sincere in his efforts to atone while he is lying to his Aunt May, and hiding his identity.<br /><br />I think the conversation got a lot deeper into the character than I'll get here, but in the end I think we both agreed.<br /><br />Spider-Man sucks.<br /><br />What? Jordan didn't say that? Well I certainly did.The 4th Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05978478777471172475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31918306.post-31022095858031044322010-03-21T11:33:11.707-07:002010-03-21T11:33:11.707-07:00I recall a 'Civil War' storyline where Ton...I recall a 'Civil War' storyline where Tony Stark was trying to convince Spiderman to unmask. He looked at one of spidey's webs and said something along the lines of "If you're as smart of a chemist as I am an engineer, why is it I'm a billionaire inventor and you work part-time for a newspaper?"<br /><br />Spiderman is a loser, he has no initiative...he's also a coward. If you look back at his love life and friendships...he's scared to death of reality without the mask. That he could hop off the walls and be extremely frail.<br /><br />Tony Stark was confident and resourced with his billionaire father inspiring him, Peter Parker was nervous/shy from a poor background with his modest-living Uncle Ben as his inspiration.<br /><br />I don't know, I always appreciated the difference between Spiderman and the other marvels/DCs. Especially if you consider Ironman and Spiderman were first introduced only 6 months apart, Jack and Stan probably invented those two characters together off the same drawing board.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08879779654815422481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31918306.post-35356367436107918812010-03-18T22:37:29.326-07:002010-03-18T22:37:29.326-07:00Another question: Is there not some merit in showi...Another question: Is there not some merit in showing remorse and attempting to atone?<br /><br />Should someone not be considered a hero if they're trying to right wrongs they've caused, or repent or seek redemption?<br /><br />Should we not recognize a person's ability to see a mistake and go through the painful motions of trying to fix said mistake?<br /><br />So that was several questions but legitimate ones.Rude39https://www.blogger.com/profile/06671962196108117446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31918306.post-12855415291146114472010-03-18T22:32:53.108-07:002010-03-18T22:32:53.108-07:00One question...
Isn't Batman motivated by sur...One question...<br /><br />Isn't Batman motivated by survivor's guilt?<br /><br />Is there heroism in that?Rude39https://www.blogger.com/profile/06671962196108117446noreply@blogger.com